Here is a forum post that was posted some years ago by Bill Finnegan himself, and I thought that it made some good points to consider, however I do not agree with everything Bill has to say.

The fact that he feels that NO KLONE, or Klon clone, could ever live up to his own creation is just a total load of nonsense!

I have built this Klon Centaur clone enough times (16 times in fact) now to know for a fact, that a Klon clone can sound great to the person that is using it. Some of my customers are professional musicians, and if they like the sound of a Klon Centaur clone, than that is all that matters. It does not have to sound 100% like an original Klon. As long as it is 99% accurate, that is plenty good. I could write pages and pages of why, so much of what Bill has written does NOT matter, but that is wasting both our time.

My customers are happy with their tone, NOT just a tone, but THEIR TONE!

Comparisons will obviously be made, and that is fine, but the bottom line is now guitar players have choices out there. Just build it, just purchase it, or have a Custom Shop edition made with all the fancy high quality parts, and the nice extras, that an original Klon Centaur does NOT even offer the guitar player. I said it before, and I will say it again, CHOICES! Build your own tone!

Build a Klon klone yourself, or I can build a Klon clone for you.

Bill can say whatever he likes, because he has a vested interest to protect his single product Klon Centaur professional overdrive/ clean booster guitar effect, boutique pedal.

However, my Klon Centaur clone has been tested side by side with a gold Klon Centaur, and it is darn close, real darn close! They both sound very GOOD!

It's all about CHOICES. See Bill's old forum post below:


Here are the things I'd like to say for your consideration:
1. At the risk of stating the obvious, I have absolutely nothing to do with the prices of my units sold used on Ebay or anywhere else. For the record, I'm in complete agreement with those people who feel that the prices that some of the units have brought, and apparently continue to bring, are simply absurd, and I hope that any of you reading this will weigh in with a correction if someone ever claims in another thread that Finnegan is ego-tripping on what his units go for used, as I've read a few times here and there and simply decided to let go. Yes, it's gratifying that a lot of players really like the thing, a thing I killed myself for almost five years to design and bring out, but no, I don't feel that spending $6- or $7- or $800 on a used unit when I'm selling them new (yes, with a turnaround) for $329 is all that rational. As I was just typing "$6- or $7- or $800" I found myself revising those figures downward in my mind just to where I, personally, felt rationality kicking in, and you know what? I couldn't peg it to a particular figure. Around ten years ago, when the business was just starting to become the freight train it's been ever since, I happily plunked down $2000 for a near-mint late-plexi 50-watt head . . . in red, with the gold logo; a '69. Does it sound better than the 1970 small-box 50-watter, black with aluminum panel, that I'd previously bought from the same guy for $475? They sound a little different, but I wouldn't say the red one just plain sounds better. Did I behave rationally spending $2000 on it, top dollar at the time? As a few of you have said, essentially, who the hell knows? What I can tell you is that it pleases me a lot to have it, and I think it would do so as much or almost as much if it were now worth $1000, say, instead of whatever ridiculous sum it actually is worth. Quick note for anyone of the B-and-E persuasion: the few nice/valuable guitars and amps I have are elsewhere in secure storage, not where I live.
2. Some of the components in the circuit could be characterized as off-the-shelf, and some couldn't, but even if they all were, I don't agree with the guy who claimed - repeatedly - that a high-school kid could build something that sounds the same. No-one, whether high-school kid or wourld-class engineer, has to my knowledge been able to really replicate the sound of the circuit in the eleven-plus years the unit has been out, and believe me, it's not for lack of trying; I'll have a little more to say about this below.
3. Here's an essential point - or at least I consider it an essential point - that some people who have posted on this thread seem to be either missing or pointedly ignoring: when you buy something along the lines of a pedal or amp or guitar or what-have-you that's at all original in design, YOU ARE NOT SIMPLY BUYING THE COMPONENTS THAT WENT INTO IT. You are buying, essentially, the result of someone's vision, expertise, and hard work in putting those components together in a particular way to achieve particular objectives. You are buying something built by someone who understands it from the inside out because he or she or they DESIGNED it, and to expect, on the other hand, to get the same results from the same circuit with the same components, unless it's built exactly the same way in every important regard by someone who thoroughly understands what is and is not important and why certain things have to be done in particular ways - that is, by the designer, and not by someone who has invested a few hours trying to knock a circuit off - well, both my intuition in general and my experience with this circuit in particular tell me that's not realistic. A quick example: a few months ago, just to satisfy my curiosity, on a statistically-significant number of non-production boards (I build, listen to, and keep boards all the time) I made the tiniest change imaginable - you'd snort derisively if I told you what it was, and certainly my expectation was that I wouldn't be able to hear any difference from the sound of the production boards. But guess what? There was and is a perceptible difference, and I proved that to myself with blind testing - having someone else mix in the experimental boards with a large number of production boards and then put all these boards, one by one, on my testing jig for me to listen to while I was ten feet away in front of the amp facing the other way; I identified every one of the experimental boards but one. I'm not trying to impress anyone with how good my ear is - after all these years with just the one product, I think it would be pretty sad if I couldn't hear the subtlest nuances - but rather trying to drive home a very straightforward point: even the smallest changes are at least potentially audible, and if someone - the would-be knocker-off - does even just a few of those small things in ways the designer learned the hard way not to, then the same results won't be obtainable. All of the really good amp and pedal designer/builders get this, the really good pickup designer/winders get it, the high-end audio designer/builders get it, and I would suggest that it's in the interest of the consumers of these and any other such products that you/we get it as well.
4. The point made about how putting the guts of one of the units in a plastic Radio Shack case would affect unknowing listeners' perceptions of the sonic attibutes of the circuit brings me right back to blind testing: the ONLY way, as far as I'm aware, to factor out auto-suggestion and really determine whether or not you're hearing what you've thought you've been hearing, is to do extensive blind testing - hours- or days- or weeks-long, with someone else doing the switching, preferably in real time, between however many alternatives in such a way that you yourself can pick up no cues/clues of any kind as to which is which aside from the sound coming out of the amp; either you guess right much more often than not, in which case you can feel confident that there is a discernable difference, or you don't, in which case you can't.
5. Although they certainly have to save up for a little while to do so, full-time pro players who don't make much money buy units from me all the time, and believe it or not, I have always tried to keep the thing as affordably priced as possible given that I have to make some kind of a living at something that I now have over fifteen years of my life in (design work began mid-1990, and production began the end of 1994). Here are a few relevant facts: with the custom-cast enclosure, custom-made pots (not off-the-shelf, and I have to order them in thousands quantities to get the per-piece cost down to only fairly outrageous), custom knobs,
custom sheet-metal bottom, and super-high-quality everything, whether custom or not, the material cost of the unit - the aggregate cost of everything that physically comprises the unit - is, by my best estimate, SEVEN-TO-EIGHT TIMES that of virtually every pedal I've seen that's built with all off-the-shelf stuff and housed in a standard diecast or clamshell enclosure. Until my price increase in June of last year, unless I'm really mistaken many of my competitors were making more profit per pedal selling what they make at wholesale prices in the $129-149 range than I was making selling mine direct at the full retail price of $279. With regard to that price increase, please consider the following: date of previous price increase to $279: February or March 1998. Date of price increase to $329:
again, June 2005. Interval: call it 7.3 years. Amount of increase in June of last year: $50. Fifty bucks as a percentage of the previous price of $279: 17.92%. Annualized price increase from February or March 1998 to June 2005: 2.45% (17.92 divided by 7.3). And . . . with very few exceptions, everything I have to buy to build units with just keeps creeping up in cost, year after year after year. Please understand that I have no problem with anyone feeling that the unit is simply too expensive for them, that either they can't afford it or simply don't feel it's worth what it costs. I do have a problem, however, whenever someone claims - either disingenously or because they're unaware of the foregoing - that I'm simply reaming my customers and laughing all the way to the bank; hopefully you can see that this is not the case.
6. With regard to the so-called "Klones", I've never heard either the Austin Gold or the Power Driver; I've been told by several guys that they didn't feel that the former sounded very much like the Centaur (please note that I'm not dissing that pedal or offering any opinion of my own at all, simply noting that I've been told a few times that the two sound different), and I know nothing about the latter, not even who makes it. I have heard the Maxon OD-820, and because it's made by a huge Japanese company, and one that seems to be trying on some level to rip me off (cf. the marketing of the pedal as a clone of mine, somewhat effective marketing it seems), I don't see any reason to shy away from telling you all that I truly hate the sound of it. Somewhere around here I have three or four pages of detailed notes on the listening I did (yes, including some blind testing) when someone loaned me theirs, but suffice it to say that I don't feel that it sounds anything like the Centaur and I don't feel it's a good-sounding pedal, period. For me, the worst part of this situation with the OD-820 being perceived as sonically either the same as my unit, or at least very close, is thinking about the God-knows-how-many-times a player has heard another player playing through one and thought "So THAT'S what the Klon sounds like." Oh, almost forgot - like to know the circumstances under which that one was loaned to me? A guy, a full-time pro player, called me a couple of years ago, told me that he'd bought it because he'd been told that sonically it was the same as mine, and that he hadn't wanted to wait for mine, and that he'd had it for a few months, played a bunch of shows with it, and liked it but didn't love it. Then, apparently the night before he called me, his band was on a bill with another band they'd never played with, and the guitar player in that band had a Centaur, and in hearing that guy's sound he concluded that they weren't at all the same. He ordered a unit, and while we were talking he said that until he received it he was going to park the Maxon and go back to something else he had (can't remember what), so I told him that, for obvious reasons, I was interested in hearing what it sounded like and asked him if he'd be willing to send it to me to check out for a few days. He said sure, and that's how I got to put the OD-820 through its paces.
7. The Centaur's circuit, as has been noted online by several people who have reverse-engineered it, has absolutely nothing in common with that of any Tube Screamer. I'm on record, and have been since way before the Centaur came out, as not being a fan of Tube Screamers or, subsequently, those of the many Tube Screamer-derived pedals I've had occasion to hear; I think they all have a number of specific shortcomings sonically that pertain mostly to the basic topology of the circuit. In a very real sense, in setting out to design what eventually became the Centaur, I was trying to design the UN-Tube Screamer, a pedal the circuit of which addressed and corrected every sonic problem I felt was present in them. As time went on during the design process other goals and criteria evolved, but "UN-Tube Screamer" was my original overarching objective with regard to the circuit. Let me emphasize that I'm fine with anyone liking the Tube Screamer or any other pedal better than the Centaur; it's difficult for me, however, after four-and-a-half years of really grueling circuit design to come up with something completely original, to be fine with someone just casually assuming that I and my design partners copied any part of the Tube Screamer's circuit, or any part of any other circuit, for that matter.
8. To those of you who have posted on this thread expressing an interest in reverse-engineering the Centaur's circuit, and for those who in your posts have basically challenged someone else to do it, I have several things I would like to remind you of: I have fifteen years of my life in this, including almost five during which I not only didn't make a penny at it but whittled my life savings down to nothing at the very end in a do-or-die effort to get the thing out before I went broke. This is how I make my living, and I have no other way at present of making a living. From the beginning, I've tried to design and build something really special, and I work very, very hard in trying to make every unit as good as I can make it. I have never gotten rich off of the Centaur, nor will I, no matter how hard I work. I'm not going to plead with you to refrain from destroying my livelihood, but I am going to appeal to whatever sense of decency you may have.
I appreciate the time taken by anyone and everyone who reads this long post, and I hope that some of you will bookmark or save it so that you can paste any part of it you feel to be relevant in another thread.
I will try to look at this thread sometime in the next couple of days if I can to see what people's reactions are to what I've written.
Thanks,
Bill Finnegan
Klon

Well, after building a few of these Klon Centaur clone boutique pedals, I can honestly state, that it is a rather rewarding job. I am absolutely thrilled, that my customers like my finished and completely assembled Klon Centaur clones.

Just finished an MXR sized Klon Centaur clone in a powder coated red metallic starlight finish, which just looks totally way cool. Used a custom turquoise blue LED which the local customer specified, between the many colors which I had available.

It is your Klon clone, and you can have it built the way you like it. Just ask, and I will try my best to make your dream Klon Centaur clone come true. My price is generally around $200 in either Canadian or USA currency. Custom Shop features will add to the base cost, but it is well worth the extra $$$.

I now think that it is much wiser to build them in a slightly larger enclosure, such as the Hammond 1590BB or NSC brand 1590BB, as the NSC is lower cost, and has an excellent quality that rivals the original. The NSC brand seems softer around the edges.

I have sold many Klon Centaur clone circuit boards and later I have sold many more Klon Centaur clone kits. However, I now wish to concentrate more on building Klon Centaur clones as fully assembled, and finished boutique pedals.

I will also be offering "Custom Shop" models with much higher quality features, and these will be detailed at my website http://www.buildyourowntone.com

Many new developments coming down the pipeline, including a newer layout Klon Centaur clone circuit board, that should make it easier for all of us to work with.

I will still sell Klon Centaur clone circuit boards, Klon Centaur clone kits, and of course now the ever growing in popularity Klon Centaur clone boutique pedal.

I will post high quality audio & regular quality videos soon, at my website and on youtube. My channel(s) are buildyourowntone, and churchoftone.

I will have a Vancouver, Canada professional guitar player and recording artist/ producer demonstrate the Klon Centaur clone through a Soldano SLO with a very nice Gibson guitar equipped with Lindy Fralin PU's. This should be real fun.

Keep on the lookout for my post with regard to when these videos will be released.

Cheers,
Raymond Goncalves

1st Klon Centaur clone build finally completed

I finally built my 1st Klon Centaur clone, sans enclosure, which I will later drill and finish. To say the least, I am absolutely thrilled with this neat boutique pedal known as a Klon Centaur, of course I do not have an original, just a clone, but what a clone!

It plain rocks hard! I find it to be quite versatile to my ears and taste. I sell Klon Centaur clone circuit boards, Klon clone electronic kits including Klon Centaur clone circuit board. I do this with a website, yet I myself, have never completed a Klon Centaur clone. Seems rather silly, considering I should have built one myself long ago. However, for many reasons I never completed my own circuit and project build.
No matter, I am very happy with the results I have obtained. Many of my customers are happy also, and some of them are devoted, loyal repeat customers, which is fine with me and great for my business.

I hope to offer many more exciting clone boutique pedal kits and assembled clone boutique pedals in the near future. I have already got some fine products in mind.

To be sure, many people do not like this concept of selling boutique pedal kits, and assembled clone boutique pedals, but it is legal, and that is all that matters to me. I do not need or seek approval from anybody to do this. We live in a great country and a great continent, and I am grateful that I can make my own decisions to choose to clone any boutique pedal that I fancy. Nope, do not need any permission from anybody, nor do I care for others opinions on the matter.

I do not wade into silly, useless, time wasting, digressing discussion on forums, whether they are DIY guitar effects forums or cork sniffer guitar effects forums on this totally tired and long dead issue of boutique pedal cloning. I have been tracing circuits longer than before this boutique pedal craze took off, and I never asked permission then to reverse-engineer electronic products, and I certainly do not need permission to reverse-engineer or trace circuits today, or tomorrow.

If you do not agree with this, than that is fine, and I do not give a hoot.

Just build or buy my clone boutique pedal products, and enjoy your life.

Cheers,

Raymond aka: "Ming the Merciless" Aggressive Pedal Cloning Operator & Operation

Klon Centaur clone circuit boards shipping on time

Klon Centaur clone circuit boards have been shipping on time. It is quite obvious that a proper complete Klon Centaur clone kit would sell much better. However, that being said I am still preparing to purchase all the necessary discrete electronic components necessary for a complete kit. It has just been hard times during the last year, and my plans for offering complete kits of many different boutique pedal designs has been cast aside for now.

I do plan on offering some of the most desirable and sought after boutique pedal designs to come down the pipeline, and I am sure that they will be well received by the many guitar purists. I certainly do hope that 2010 is the banner year for a lot of my boutique pedal product offerings.

Meanwhile, good luck to all the purchasers of my Klon Centaur clone circuit board.
Build it, play it, enjoy it :-)

Ebay interest for Klon Centaur clone circuit board is good

Ebay interest for Klon Centaur clone circuit boards is pretty good. This should not be a total surprise to me considering that the original , authentic Klon Centaur is only one of the most popular boutique pedals of all time. It is considered the Holy Grail of mild overdrive and treble boosters among so many guitar purists.

I will most likely post on Ebay still, but most likely with a BIN format, as this just makes more sense. It is almost impossible to get a bargain deal with a regular auction style format for a Klon Centaur clone circuit board. It would be more fair for everybody to just offer the Ebay BIN style of selling.

I wish to thank all of you who participated in my (2) Ebay auctions. Even had a couple fellows from Canada who participated in both auctions for the Klon Centaur clone circuit boards.

If you do not like participating in auctions, than by all means purchase from me online direct here:

http://www.buildyourowntone.com/

Please note:

I will be changing shipping method to FEDEX GROUND, as this includes a tracking #

Shipping via 1st Class Postage to the USA is US$4.


Always looking for dealers or distributors in different countries for the Klon Centaur clone circuit board.

Build your own tone and smile :-)

Cheers,
Raymond Goncalves